No 2015 for me
5/16/14, 08:41 PM
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I disagree. If Ford keeps sticking to their formula of building decently priced, powerful, and high performing mustangs they will do fine. Changing the design will attract and push away different buyers whether it be retro or modern. I'm excited as to what the new mustang will bring it terms of performance at a solid price point (hopefully). However, I do love looks of the 10-14 mustang compared to the new one. I'm 25 btw.
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5/16/14, 09:50 PM
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This. As I said in another thread...
So tired of all the complaining about the styling being too modern, being too European or whatever else BS I keep reading. The reality is that baby boomers are getting older and aren't going to keep buying cars that look like the cars of their youth. And there aren't enough younger people like me who like the retro enough to buy it. Mustang sales have been in decline for years and the decline has to hopefully stop. Beyond that, they've already copied the best elements of the 1st gen Mustang for the past 10 model years, so what so you guys want - a new Mustang II, a new Fox?
To survive another 50 years, the car has to evolve and attract buyers from all over the world. It's still got plenty of Mustang cues, plenty of power and is still a Mustang at heart, without a doubt. So get over the styling people because it's not going back to retro any more.
So tired of all the complaining about the styling being too modern, being too European or whatever else BS I keep reading. The reality is that baby boomers are getting older and aren't going to keep buying cars that look like the cars of their youth. And there aren't enough younger people like me who like the retro enough to buy it. Mustang sales have been in decline for years and the decline has to hopefully stop. Beyond that, they've already copied the best elements of the 1st gen Mustang for the past 10 model years, so what so you guys want - a new Mustang II, a new Fox?
To survive another 50 years, the car has to evolve and attract buyers from all over the world. It's still got plenty of Mustang cues, plenty of power and is still a Mustang at heart, without a doubt. So get over the styling people because it's not going back to retro any more.
but your retro styling/Mustang sales declining analogy doesn't explain Camaro & Chally's strong sales - which are because they copied 05-08 S197 and went retro styling.....
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5/17/14, 04:13 PM
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5/17/14, 04:52 PM
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I think we`re at a crossroads and we wont find out for a couple more years if this new design is a hit or a major bust.
Actual Mustang buyers ( the people who are actually buying - not drooling ) fall into 3 catagories right now: Love the new design, love the old design, and dont care.
I expect the reason why all of a sudden the slump in mustang sales has ended because the people that hate the new/love the old are buying now. Also, with the great rebates going on right now making the prices affordable-- The dont cares are buying as well- en masse.
When the new design actually is for sale, I expect another bump in sales as all the love the new design crowd jumps in when availability & the price is right ( for them ) during the first 18 months of roll out. Of course there will be those that could care less which design it is buying as well. Keep in mind also the new design will have international sales numbers, so it will be important to follow the domestic numbers.
If domestic sales flatline when we reach the summer of `16 and the next model year ( 2017 ) has flat sales then this new design was a bridge too far. If 2016 doesnt flatline, and 2017 is a great year sales wise, then the designers were brilliant.
I suspect that is the reason why all the alleged "goodies" model wise arent coming out until `16 & `17
Actual Mustang buyers ( the people who are actually buying - not drooling ) fall into 3 catagories right now: Love the new design, love the old design, and dont care.
I expect the reason why all of a sudden the slump in mustang sales has ended because the people that hate the new/love the old are buying now. Also, with the great rebates going on right now making the prices affordable-- The dont cares are buying as well- en masse.
When the new design actually is for sale, I expect another bump in sales as all the love the new design crowd jumps in when availability & the price is right ( for them ) during the first 18 months of roll out. Of course there will be those that could care less which design it is buying as well. Keep in mind also the new design will have international sales numbers, so it will be important to follow the domestic numbers.
If domestic sales flatline when we reach the summer of `16 and the next model year ( 2017 ) has flat sales then this new design was a bridge too far. If 2016 doesnt flatline, and 2017 is a great year sales wise, then the designers were brilliant.
I suspect that is the reason why all the alleged "goodies" model wise arent coming out until `16 & `17
5/17/14, 04:53 PM
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Annual Mustang sales:
2000 113k
2001 169k
2002 138k
2003 140k
2004 129k
2005 160k
2006 166k
2007 134k
2008 91k (17k Challengers)
2009 66k (61k Camaros, 25k Challengers)
2010 73k (81k Camaros, 36k Challengers)
2011 70k (88k Camaros, 39k Challengers)
2012 82k (84k Camaros, 43k Challengers)
2013 77k (80k Camaros, 51k Challengers)
With Mustang sales decreasing, Ford is correct in freshening the looks. It is interesting to see the Challenger's sales increasing with only minor cosmetic tweaks over the past six years.
I don't feel the '15 Mustang change is as drastic as previous model re-vamps. That said, I love my '14 model.
2000 113k
2001 169k
2002 138k
2003 140k
2004 129k
2005 160k
2006 166k
2007 134k
2008 91k (17k Challengers)
2009 66k (61k Camaros, 25k Challengers)
2010 73k (81k Camaros, 36k Challengers)
2011 70k (88k Camaros, 39k Challengers)
2012 82k (84k Camaros, 43k Challengers)
2013 77k (80k Camaros, 51k Challengers)
With Mustang sales decreasing, Ford is correct in freshening the looks. It is interesting to see the Challenger's sales increasing with only minor cosmetic tweaks over the past six years.
I don't feel the '15 Mustang change is as drastic as previous model re-vamps. That said, I love my '14 model.
5/17/14, 05:00 PM
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With that being said, the Camaro & Chally`s benefited from not being available for awhile. The Camaro also has the added benefit of not having the Firebird/Trans Am sales siphoning off sales as was the case in past years.
5/17/14, 05:41 PM
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Annual Mustang sales:
2000 113k
2001 169k
2002 138k
2003 140k
2004 129k
2005 160k
2006 166k
2007 134k
2008 91k (17k Challengers)
2009 66k (61k Camaros, 25k Challengers)
2010 73k (81k Camaros, 36k Challengers)
2011 70k (88k Camaros, 39k Challengers)
2012 82k (84k Camaros, 43k Challengers)
2013 77k (80k Camaros, 51k Challengers)
With Mustang sales decreasing, Ford is correct in freshening the looks. It is interesting to see the Challenger's sales increasing with only minor cosmetic tweaks over the past six years.
I don't feel the '15 Mustang change is as drastic as previous model re-vamps. That said, I love my '14 model.
2000 113k
2001 169k
2002 138k
2003 140k
2004 129k
2005 160k
2006 166k
2007 134k
2008 91k (17k Challengers)
2009 66k (61k Camaros, 25k Challengers)
2010 73k (81k Camaros, 36k Challengers)
2011 70k (88k Camaros, 39k Challengers)
2012 82k (84k Camaros, 43k Challengers)
2013 77k (80k Camaros, 51k Challengers)
With Mustang sales decreasing, Ford is correct in freshening the looks. It is interesting to see the Challenger's sales increasing with only minor cosmetic tweaks over the past six years.
I don't feel the '15 Mustang change is as drastic as previous model re-vamps. That said, I love my '14 model.
5/18/14, 10:16 AM
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This new 2015 Mustang reminds me a lot of the Probe fiasco and really what they should have done in the 80s: keep the design but keep it V8 + RWD...
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5/18/14, 12:54 PM
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Technically, Ford's been doing 'retro' since '94 and the horse in the grille; I really think it just boils down to having 2 other choices to choose from. The Mustang/Camaro/Challenge buyer is not the same as the G35/Genesis Coupe/GT86 buyer...
This new 2015 Mustang reminds me a lot of the Probe fiasco and really what they should have done in the 80s: keep the design but keep it V8 + RWD...
This new 2015 Mustang reminds me a lot of the Probe fiasco and really what they should have done in the 80s: keep the design but keep it V8 + RWD...
5/18/14, 07:41 PM
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Technically, Ford's been doing 'retro' since '94 and the horse in the grille; I really think it just boils down to having 2 other choices to choose from. The Mustang/Camaro/Challenge buyer is not the same as the G35/Genesis Coupe/GT86 buyer... This new 2015 Mustang reminds me a lot of the Probe fiasco and really what they should have done in the 80s: keep the design but keep it V8 + RWD...
7/15/14, 05:13 PM
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7/15/14, 05:34 PM
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These exact same threads will popup in the 2015 sub-forum where the new owners are saying they are soooo happy they waited for the 2015 rather than buying the 2014. Just a bunch of senseless babble that in the end truly means only one thing - we love our cars. And for the record I have seen two 2015's in the flesh and I think they look fantastic...but to each their own.
7/15/14, 05:51 PM
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Beautiful ride! I'm fine with the look of the 2015 but the personality of the live rear axel is not going to be easy to replace or simulate.
7/15/14, 05:51 PM
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7/15/14, 05:56 PM
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That is like saying "well, I'm glad my new house has air conditioning but I'm really going to miss the fans I had in my old one." The bizarre fascination with a long-outdated technology blows my mind.
7/15/14, 06:11 PM
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You're assuming I live in a warm climate and really my wife just burns dinner a lot. IRS vehicles are capable but generic. The current Mustang is fun to drive, in part, because of the unique character of the LRA and that's what's important to me.
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