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Old 11/19/10, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by nick5oh!
Anyone have any idea why the 2012 Order Guide has the GT Premium engine, manual, and automatic all marked with a star as "New for this model year"? The base GT and V6 aren't marked as such.

I was going for a 2011, but was wondering about this!
My guess would be that they are altering skip shift or some other function. People seem to be having problems with the trans. Why not change the clutch assembly though?

I want to see the Lava Red interior.

My guess would be that it will look like the 07-09 GT500 red package seats but with lava red instead of torch red inserts. Along with lava red door inserts.

Can't wait.

Either a GB w/GB stripe seats or BLK/LR seats.
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Originally Posted by Ted in Olympia

Kind of odd they give the wheel size but not the tire size for the Boss? Are people willing to give up their leather seats to have a Boss? I guess they also have to give up the power seats and garage door opener.
The cloth seats have a suede insert, which is better at holding you in the seat during aggressive cornering. This is fitting with the character of the car as a road racer. The Recaro seats are likewise covered in cloth material.
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I didn't read anything about the driver seat not being power.
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Originally Posted by Ted in Olympia

Kind of odd they give the wheel size but not the tire size for the Boss? Are people willing to give up their leather seats to have a Boss? I guess they also have to give up the power seats and garage door opener.
The cloth seats have a suede insert, which is better at holding you in the seat during aggressive cornering. This is fitting with the character of the car as a road racer. The Recaro seats are likewise covered in cloth material.

I didn't read anything about the driver seat not being power however.
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Hey Brian, thanks for posting. We just recarpeted the entire showroom offices and the computers were all down for the day. How's business up your way?
Hi, Jeff, good to hear from you. I feel your pain; we were remodeled last year when we added Lincoln Mercury to our line up (Ford paid for most of the remodel as a way to bribe us to take on LM). Business has been better all year than the last two years were. I hope all is well for you and that sales are good there.

I've been busy filling your shoes here online (order guides, pricing, etc.). Stick around and have some fun here with us.
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Originally Posted by nick5oh!
Anyone have any idea why the 2012 Order Guide has the GT Premium engine, manual, and automatic all marked with a star as "New for this model year"? The base GT and V6 aren't marked as such.
I'd bet that Ford simply copied & pasted the 2011 order guide when creating the 2012 order guide and simply forgot to proofread and left a few stars where they didn't belong.
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Originally Posted by bpmurr
Incorrect, the Z28 from everything I've read so far is the CTS-V Coupe minus the lux. That car is faster in stock form than a 2011 GT500 with the SVT Package. Weight is only one factor but the CTS-V hooks up much better in stock trim.
On what point? The CTS-V has 556HP and weighs over 4000 lbs. The Boss has laucnch control and the 2012 GT500 should get it too. The GT500 is already trapping faster than the CTS-V so if it hooks up its all over. So back to my original point, the GT500 has little to worry about.

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Old 11/19/10, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by VALCAD
The Laguna Seca had the Recaros and the regular Boss had the standard seats (cloth). Either way, it was a comfortable feel.
Are you saying, that both seats feel equally comfortable?

In your opinion are the Recaros/Torsen worth the extra 2K for the Reg BOSS?

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Originally Posted by 1trickpony
The GT500 is already trapping faster than the CTS-V so if it hooks up its all over.
"If it hooks up" if the operative question. I've NEVER been beat by a GT500 at either of our local dragstrips as they just don't launch well enough. Sure, it's entertaining to watch the tirespin and fishtailing, and they sure are gaining on me hard as the 1/4 mile stripe approaches, but I still beat them to the traps every time. Bring a GT500 to the dragstrip with drag radials and/or mods, and I have to be on my guard (and I would possibly lose).

The factory really needs to figure out a way to harness all the power the GT500 produces if it's gonna compete successfully with the Z28 and CTS-V.
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Originally Posted by black_bullitt
Recaros made it as an option... sweet!
And they're leather in the GT500 (cloth in the Boss 302).
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The Recaro's are definitely on my list of things I would like to drop into the car, but only if they don't have "GT500" or the Cobra emblem on the seat itself. I can deal with "SVT" or nothing at all.

I'll take a set in black/black please.
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Originally Posted by bpmurr
Incorrect, the Z28 from everything I've read so far is the CTS-V Coupe minus the lux. That car is faster in stock form than a 2011 GT500 with the SVT Package. Weight is only one factor but the CTS-V hooks up much better in stock trim.
Proving once again I don't have a life, I looked up a Camaro SS and CTS-V on the GM media site. The SS weighed 3849 lbs and the CTS-V weighed 4200 lbs. The engine mods alone will add 150 lbs to the SS. Big brakes and tires will add to that. The Z28 should weigh at least 4000 lbs. Obviously there's more to drag race than basic physics but the same power and less weight equals greater acceleration.
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Originally Posted by Five Oh Brian
"If it hooks up" if the operative question. I've NEVER been beat by a GT500 at either of our local dragstrips as they just don't launch well enough. Sure, it's entertaining to watch the tirespin and fishtailing, and they sure are gaining on me hard as the 1/4 mile stripe approaches, but I still beat them to the traps every time. Bring a GT500 to the dragstrip with drag radials and/or mods, and I have to be on my guard (and I would possibly lose).

The factory really needs to figure out a way to harness all the power the GT500 produces if it's gonna compete successfully with the Z28 and CTS-V.
If the GT500 gets launch control for 2012, and I think it will, it will beat a CTS-V. The last test I saw showed the CTS-V like .2 seconds faster with a lower trap speed than a 2011 GT500. The Z28 at 4100 pounds ain't going to be any faster than a CTS-V (.1 seconds/1 MPH?). That's a drivers racing and competing well enough in my book. That's like saying a 2011 5.0 needs to step it up versus an SS. I can see why Ford doesn't seemed concerned about the Z28 for now.
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Originally Posted by 1trickpony
If the GT500 gets launch control for 2012, and I think it will, it will beat a CTS-V. The last test I saw showed the CTS-V like .2 seconds faster with a lower trap speed than a 2011 GT500. The Z28 at 4100 pounds ain't going to be any faster than a CTS-V (.1 seconds/1 MPH?). That's a drivers racing and competing well enough in my book. That's like saying a 2011 5.0 needs to step it up versus an SS. I can see why Ford doesn't seemed concerned about the Z28 for now.

It's the auto trans that makes the CTS-V so quick. This is the point I raised in another thread, todays auto trans. are so good that they outperform man. trans. If you want the best 0-60 or 1/4 mile times than an auto trans. is a must.
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Originally Posted by OAC_Sparky
US 2012 Mustang Price list is up on the dealer site.

anybody have PDF with the price list?
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Originally Posted by Whammer
It's the auto trans that makes the CTS-V so quick. This is the point I raised in another thread, todays auto trans. are so good that they outperform man. trans. If you want the best 0-60 or 1/4 mile times than an auto trans. is a must.
I'm with you about today's automatics. they are as good as manuals and you'll be more consistent at a track.
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Fact remains can the GT500 do 0-60 in 3.9 because the 4,222 lb. stock CTS-V can. The problem with the GT500 is it doesn't hook up till 3rd gear. This has been the problem since day 1. Again bigger tires eliminates this altogether so I am amazed it still has 9.5 in. rims.
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Originally Posted by Ted in Olympia
Kind of odd they give the wheel size but not the tire size for the Boss?
Here you go, Ted:

Sticky Pirelli PZero tires, 255/40ZR-19 front and 285/35ZR-19 rear, are wrapped around lightweight 19″ racing wheels.
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Originally Posted by armyguy239
anybody have PDF with the price list?
Chris, I have it, but I'm not at liberty to post the .pdf file publicly due to Ford's policy on proprietary info. Maybe 05FordGT or one of the other dealers here will do so? Anything in particular you want pricing for?
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Originally Posted by FCMalie
I think so, its some pizza place. The guy i originally went to was at liberty he never got back to me so he lost my business as well as anyone else i talked to that was interested lol
Hey, I know you!

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Originally Posted by 94gt
Fact remains can the GT500 do 0-60 in 3.9 because the 4,222 lb. stock CTS-V can. The problem with the GT500 is it doesn't hook up till 3rd gear. This has been the problem since day 1. Again bigger tires eliminates this altogether so I am amazed it still has 9.5 in. rims.
An automatic with launch control would go a long way to helping the car hook up. Today's automatics are so good you could put your grandmother in an CTS-V and she'd be smoking everyone at the drag strip.
So once again I will say....the GT500 will never reach it's full potential as long as it has only a 6 speed manual in it. Now I'm not saying they should put an auto in it and I wouldn't want to see one in the car, but the reality is that automatics rule the world of performance cars.

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